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Monbiot Says Global Revolutionary Change Required

From George Monbiot's speech at the Camp for Climate Change in London Aug. 18.

George Monbiot is the author of the climate change bestseller Heat, and a columnist for the U.K. Guardian.

The entire speech along with other speakers can be listened to free online . He is the second speaker at 15 minutes in.From UK Indymedia


I'm going to start with some bad news, and the bad news is this. Two degrees is no longer the target. And the news is contained in a recent paper written by James Hansen of NASA in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society. And what Hansen shows is that the profoundly pessimistic assumptions in the latest IPCC Report are insufficiently pessimistic.And the reason for this is as follows. The IPCC assumes that the melting of the ice sheets at the poles will take place in a gradual and linear fashion. And Hansen's own work with the paleontological record shows that that is an "entirely implausible" (to use his term) scenario.

The last time we had two degrees of warming in the Pliocene 55 million years ago, the ice sheets at the poles did not melt - as the IPCC proposes - over a millennia, but within the course of one century. And they did not cause a maximum sea level rise within the course of one century - as predicted by the IPCC - of 59 centimeters, but of 25 meters.

And Hansen proposes that through a series of factors - the collapse of the buttresses that prevent the ice from sliding into the sea, the melt water trickling down through crevasses and lubricating the base of the ice sheets, and melt water on the surface of the ice sheets changing the albedo, making the ice darker and therefore absorbing more heat, will lead to the sudden and - certainly in geological terms - almost immediate collapse of both the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets within the course of one a century at somewhat less than two degrees of warming.

Not only does this lead to the immediate affect of inundation of most of the inhabited world - something like 60% of the people live within 50 Km of the coast - it also means that you get a severe and sudden change in global albedo change as white stuff at the poles gives way to dark stuff absorbing much more solar radiation.

And he proposes that we can't go beyond 1.5 to 1.7 degrees of warming above 1990 levels.

Combine this with what Richard was talking about and the stuff contained in the IPCC's 4th Assessment Report which shows that in order to have a maximum cap of two degrees of warming we need an 85% global reduction even before you take population growth into account. So when that's added to the fact that we're going to have something like a 50% increase in population, you can see that that pushes way over 90% even before you take the issue of global equity into account which means that the rich nationsmust cut the emissions much further than anybody else, you realize that we are talking at a minimum of a 100% cut, and it looks like it might have to go to 110% or 115%.

You laugh but we're talking about sequestration and we're talking about such things for example, as growing bio fuel and burying it, simply for growing as much bio mass as we can and sticking it back on the ground .... something ..... anything to stave off this catastrophe.

We're not talking anymore about measures which require a little bit of tweaking her and there, or a little bit of political tweaking here and there. We're talking about measures which require global revolutionary change.

And that is a much tougher message than any that I've put out before, and this is the first opportunity really that I've had since that paper came out, to express the fact that what I thought were rather bold and revolutionary proposals in my book Heat, those proposals don't go nearly far enough. Those proposals have been superseded and we need to start thinking on a different scale altogether....

And I'm afraid the second uncomfortable message I have to put out to you tonight is that when it comes to dealing with a problem of this scale, small is no longer beautiful. We have to start thinking on the biggest possible terms....

We have very very little time in which to act. We have very very little time in which to bring about the largest economical and political transformation the world has ever seen.

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‘The Future Has to Be Red-Green’ An Interview With Derek Wall

Derek Wall is a writer, an economist, and currently the Principal Male Speaker of the Green Party of England and Wales. He is the author of several books including Earth First! and the Anti-Roads Movement: Radical Environmentalism and Comparative Social Movements and Babylon and Beyond: The Economics of Anti-Capitalist, Anti-Globalist and Radical Green Movements.Republished with permission from Green Left Infoasis August 13, 2007

Green Left Infoasis: Currently, the description at the top of your blog, Another Green World, concludes with the words “Ecosocialism or muerte!” So let me start with this question. Why ecosocialism?

Derek Wall: Capitalism is based on infinite economic growth, that is ecologically impossible and social injust. So if we are to tackle ecological crisis we need socialism, capitalism is totalitarian, everything ends up being based on the need to expand profit, even education is about providing a willing work force. So the future has to be red-green, I have worked hard looking at how to challenge capitalism practically and ideologically.

Green Left Infoasis: You are currently the Principal Male Speaker of the Green Party of England and Wales. Why are you a Green Party member? Why not try to make Labour or another party greener?

Derek Wall: Well, all political parties are imperfect instruments of social change but the Green Party has stuck to its principles of ecology, no nukes, social justice and grassroots democracy through thick and thin. Most political parties see green as shallow environmentalism not as a set of policies and a philosophy for the whole of life. In the Labour Party, the socialist candidate John McDonnell was not even allowed to stand as Party leader, at least in the Greens there is a high degree of internal democracy.

Green politics is about survival and only the Green Party out of the political parties here is serious about the basic facts of life. There are certainly lots of other good things going on here especially the Camp for Climate Action on every newspaper front page, using direct action to challenge Heathrow Airport. However it’s important to contest elections and win them to try and change things on the policy level.

Green Left Infoasis: In August of 2004, a man from my area, here in southern California, tragically died of West Nile Virus infection. His name was Walter Sheasby. In a memorial statement, his friend, the radical author Joel Kovel wrote that there “was a bitter irony to Walt’s death as he succumbed at age 62 to complications of West Nile Virus, one of the rogue pathogens kicked into orbit by the destabilization of the ecological crisis against which he focused his formidable talent in the later years of his life.” You worked with him. Who was Walt Sheasby? How did you know him?

Derek Wall: Walt Sheasby was a member of the Green Party, a pioneering ecosocialist, a writer, a brilliant political organiser and my friend, I miss him so much. He came over to Britain in 2004 to research his work on Marx and ecology, retracing Marx’s visits to Brighton and Ramsgate and meeting up with Green Party members over here. He spoke at the Green Economics conference in Reading organised by the dynamic Miriam Kennett. He mentored me, got me thinking more deeply and his interest not only in Marx and ecology but zen was important to me.

His essays many of which are on the net cover a number of really important topics from peak oil to Nader to ecosocialism and of course the green elements in Marx’s writing.

Unlike a lot of writers he was very politically active in a practical way, helping to build the Green Party in its early stages. When he died it came as a big shock because he was planning another trip to the UK and I was looking forward to seeing him.

‘In the spirit of Walt Sheasby’ is the phrase which describes serious eco politics.

Green Left Infoasis: In a tune called “The Commons”, the radical singer/songwriter David Rovics sings:

“It’s the commons, our right of birth
And you who would enclose the land all around the Earth
Our future is your downfall, when we cut this ball and chain
You who’d sacrifice the public good for your private gain”

How should the idea of “the commons” figure into radical green left politics?

Derek Wall: The market takes resources that are free, builds a fence around them and makes us pay for access. To get the cash we have to fence and sell other resources, so the process goes on. Think of a hill tribe in South East Asia who gather food and fuel, development literally involves fencing the forest so they no longer have access.

Commons provide a way of using resources when we need them, without having to own every thing even if we only use it a little. So as well as providing the basis for grassroots creative economic activity without the alienation of the market or heavy state control commons is an ecological necessity. It means we can have prosperity with less use of resources, think libraries, car pools, good public transport, having far fewer things but getting greater access. The concept squares the circle by meaning we can become wealthier with less growth in GNP.

Commons are based on ecological good use, the principle of usufrucht, where you have free access to a resource (like a lake or a forest or the net) as long as you leave it in a good state.


“From the standpoint of a higher economic form of society, private ownership of the globe by single individuals will appear quite absurd as private ownership of one man by another. Even a whole society, a nation, or even all simultaneously existing societies taken together, are not the owners of the globe. They are only its possessors, its usufructuries, and like boni patres familias, they must hand it down to succeeding generations in an improved condition” (Marx quoted in Kovel, 2002: 238)

Nandor Tanczos the New Zealand Green MP suggests in Babylon:

“We humans think that we can own the planet, as if fleas could own a dog. Our concepts of property ownership are vastly different from traditional practises of recognising use rights over various resources. A right to grow or gather food or other resources in a particular place is about meeting needs. Property ownership is about the ability to live on one side of the world and speculate on resources on the other, possibly without ever seeing it, without regard to need or consequence.”

Commons is brilliant and Benkler with his concept of social sharing describes a similar concept. Economists simply can’t cope with it and write it out of history, I guess they go around burning all the examples like the witches were burnt, so that people don’t find out about the alternative to capitalism.

Green Left Infoasis: You are an advocate of Open Source Software. In your book Babylon and Beyond, you jest that “Marx would have been a Firefox user.” What is Open Source Software and what is so great about it?

Derek Wall: Free or open it’s the commons in cyber space, it illustrates that creative collective effort works better than a corporate product like microsoft, free is quite literally cheaper.

Economists again can’t cope with it but its growing.

Green Left Infoasis: What gives you hope?

Derek Wall: Human beings have huge capacity to be creative and spring back from disaster. Also Hugo Chavez, the diy direct action movement, radical Green Party people from my friend Joel Kovel to Jello Biafra, Sea Shepherd and of course open source/free software. The future is possible but we have to get busy.

And Nick Hildyard and the wonderful people at The Corner House, they fight and win so many of the world’s important battles.

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