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	<title>Comments on: The Burning Season: Can carbon trading save our forests?</title>
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		<title>By: Helio Matahari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helio Matahari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very grateful for the deep reflection Susan has made on this film and the issues it raises. 
Likewise I am very gratefull for the film maker Cathy Henkel who innocently has created a great debate around the numerous issues of our times. Cathy is not an authority at all on these issues and never has stated anything to that effect but has been expected to be academic rather than the creative she is. 

I applaud her for following her heart into unknown waters and creating such a volatile piece. I am saddened that anyone could think that this film was created as a promo for Dorjee Sun&#039;s business. Cathy met Dorjee when he only had the desire to save the forests and the orangutan using what he knew which was business.

I believe the film captures the turning point in our collective consciousness but that is all. It was never intended as an authorative piece and the action plan has been created secondarily to give some support to the audience&#039;s emotional need to actually do something personally.
All those reading this or watching the film need to stand up and put literally years of hard work and sweat into the issues of our times before they become eligible to criticise those making their own efforts.

I am a contributor to the action plan following the TBS film. 

On our planet there are conservatively over 600 football fields worth of biodiverse forests an hour going down, we need to plant that many per hour to keep the balance as it is ! How do we do this NOW !?

Specifically I am calling for
every child in
every school in 
every country 
every year to plant 10 trees and look after them for the next 100 years.

I believe this will culture what we need to do and begin doing it at the same time.

I personally  believe we must hold the vision of &quot;doubling the forests&quot; not &#039;saving the remains&#039;.

I believe we need the culture of expanding the natural forests to replace that of exchanging them, for otherwise we limit our survival potential to our demonstrably dischordant human knowledge. Rather limited compared to the infinite display and living truths of nature.

My view of carbon trading is : 

&quot; If I promise not to touch the moon and give the moon real estate trading scheme 0.01% of my income, can I keep polluting, please... I really want to keep polluting...&quot;

I agree that we need to do the work of shutting out all logging of standing biodiverse rainforests and forests in general.

We do need massive plantations as well for all the needs we have as cultures and societies.

I believe that simplistic centralism is dead as a political organising agenda. 

The Pyramid of powers that we have given to, educate us to continue to give away our rights to those who are to gain from the structure, this is obvious. 
This is fine if there is a return not just to the stakeholders but to all. The unfortunate situation is that those with the power are not educated in harmonious dispersal of power and wealth. Where is the school through which politicians must pass by doing 7 years research and exams on total living system management. Who would say they could set up such a school?

What we do by centralising power like this is remove the power wielder from the context of their effect. Then abstract them even more with areas of activity they know nothing about but because they are in power they must manage.

If we don&#039;t empower those living in their context of nature with it&#039;s harmonic interaction obviously we will not have harmonic interaction. Management at a distance, remote generalist potitics cannot replace local knowledge and meaningful life connection with place which is what we need to engender connected living.

I would hazard the guess that the main focus of the multinationals companies mission statements are not on benifiting the many. 

The main dynamical problem with wealth creation currently as I see is that the flow is blocked at the top. It doesn&#039;t return completly to it&#039;s source, being those that created it at the gorund or base level. Any system that denies the return flow through to the point of origin will eventually collpase. Logically it is so.

It is a smoke ring dynamic. A torroidal form.

This is how energy as a perpetuating form moves through space with the greatest efficiency. As we all know when there is blockage in any system there is stagnation. Most political systems are not seen as dynamics but money is just another form of energetic flow. 
The right wing builds energy to a center then holds the the flow constricted and tight and builds mountains pyramids of wealth. The left wing takes this and disperses it back to the point of origin. I suggest we need both. That we need the flow to be centralised enriched with quality and then dispersed. The smoke ring torroidal model of politics takes energy /money in, gathers it to the central spin and disperses it back out. But the scale and complexity of doing this at the nation level means there is a lot of aberation along the way and often no return to source.

The more pure and simple this form the more it reflects it&#039;s context and builds harmony within the people and place.  To be able to achieve this kind of synergy the unit size of this flow needs to be small and simple not abstract large and complex and beyond the realm of 150 people. Specifically biological research as in the book The Tipping Point suggests that this natural unit is around 150 but harmonically 144 people feels more true. 

This may seem escoteric but that is because we are out of touch with our own connectedness. Mostly these days we have no idea of what it feels like to live within a  village because most of our communications are diverse and abstract.
But the point is that there is a way of living connected locally to place and becoming aware of our personal impacts on nature.

It requires limiting population to that which is within the numbers of knowing individuals. It requires a village lifestyle to be the norm..


But beyond simplistic models  I personally think we need to embed this political harmonic oscillation within the context of natural systems. We need to understand the total volume of forests fish animals all living and non living things that allow the human turbulent waste to be absorbed. Realise the value of living within the range of population that is sustainable.

This means  valuing population levels as a harmonic of the place. ( not as a dischord ).

It would seem vitaly important to listen to and empower the people who know the most about the forests and their health and preservation rather than give this power to the financial intituions who indirectly are responsible for the destruction of the forests by valuing business over environmental needs.

 &quot;It makes good business to log a free forest and turn it into wealth. There are infrastructural costs but hey we can chip it all so it&#039;s easy to ship then sell it where ever...&quot;

If that statement becomes one that benifits the forest it will last opnlu until there is enough forest to devalue the asset then there will be destruction again. It is not a long term solution and does lead to taxing the air we breathe. THe whole financial play is egoic and pwoer driven and soo disconnected from harmonic natural interactions. We must recognise that all living systems are based on centered harmonic resonance. We humans must obey this &quot;living Law&quot; with our habitations other wise we will become a dischordant abberation, obviously !

On energy I do agree with Susan.
Energy in fact as we all do truely know is THE most abundant thing there is. In my view the  corrupt protection of fossil fuel business empires has to stop.

 The fossil fuel emporer is wearing no clothes. 

We all know the history of energy is about information control.

 It is not &quot;do we have the zero pollution solutions?&quot;, they are in fact abundant, what we are short of is the guts to pull the plug on our common wimping  and subservience to the fossil fuel regime.

This is a time for all those sitting in front of a computer to grow up  let go and demand zero pollution technology. There is no excuse. We need a global protest and demand for zero pollution everything!

&quot;We have the technology !&quot;

We have had the technology for a long time !
Now we must use it.


Consciously this time we are in is not about pollution or forests or politics.
It is about stepping up, having courage, feeling the truth in your heart and turning away from everything that lacks integrity.

It is not about competition or winning, it is about birthing the global consciousness to act as one planet for the good of the whole planet not just for your company or philosophy or nation or country.

It is more in my view about realising that yes we can have all these amazing things and experiences and gadgets etc. etc. but that where ever there is a clear destruction of the harmonic order of nature we are wrong. Everything can be produced in integrity with the natural harmonic order,we have the technology. It will taske time to convert everything over to harmonic integrity yes. But the incredible energetic release and sheer joy of such a world is what we all as a total species have being creating as our heavenly dream since spirit  first walked this earth. It is an act of will not an act of intelligence that we must take. We must summon the will to change. We have all we need in terms of knowledge and examples.

My personal understanding is that we all want harmony yet do not for some reason study the replete and diverse and rich knowledge of harmony and harmonic systems.

We talk these abstract issues of how capitalism or collective dynamics work politically but we don&#039;t connect them to nature and the wisdom of harmonics that flows so obviously. It flows visually, auditorially, sensorially, even to be felt in the sense of the source field and the primary spiritual domains. 

We are, in my humble view, soo species egoic. We value our own abstracted blindingly limited knowledge bank of written culture over the infinite wisdom of nature. All we are doing in reflection is testing our species ego centricity and  hypothesis over again. Harmony is not a hard thing to &quot;measure&quot;. It is very very obvious if one tunes in... if we educate ourselves to it like all indigenous cultures do, and then live by it.

This wonderful time is to be cherished for it is a birth, a great birth. But like all great births much will be lost in creating the new. I feel there is going to be great grief and letting go, and there has to be. The new demands dropping the old.

I have for example designed an electric commuter vehicle that is  endless, battery optional, with music, fans,secure cargo bay, weatherproof... It is low tech. It looks very cool but has a top speed of 60kmph. If we start here with in a few years these things will go 100kmph and still be battery optional as back up.

We must face the fact that mostly our ignorance is that of the knowledge of energy and harmony or harmonics i.e. the ways of nature. there has been a deliberate focussing away from this knowledge but now the time has come to begin stepping up and  acting from will guided by love and it&#039;s worldly manifestation as harmnonic values.

Plenty of cultures have lived this truth it&#039;s about time we tuned in too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very grateful for the deep reflection Susan has made on this film and the issues it raises.<br />
Likewise I am very gratefull for the film maker Cathy Henkel who innocently has created a great debate around the numerous issues of our times. Cathy is not an authority at all on these issues and never has stated anything to that effect but has been expected to be academic rather than the creative she is. </p>
<p>I applaud her for following her heart into unknown waters and creating such a volatile piece. I am saddened that anyone could think that this film was created as a promo for Dorjee Sun&#8217;s business. Cathy met Dorjee when he only had the desire to save the forests and the orangutan using what he knew which was business.</p>
<p>I believe the film captures the turning point in our collective consciousness but that is all. It was never intended as an authorative piece and the action plan has been created secondarily to give some support to the audience&#8217;s emotional need to actually do something personally.<br />
All those reading this or watching the film need to stand up and put literally years of hard work and sweat into the issues of our times before they become eligible to criticise those making their own efforts.</p>
<p>I am a contributor to the action plan following the TBS film. </p>
<p>On our planet there are conservatively over 600 football fields worth of biodiverse forests an hour going down, we need to plant that many per hour to keep the balance as it is ! How do we do this NOW !?</p>
<p>Specifically I am calling for<br />
every child in<br />
every school in<br />
every country<br />
every year to plant 10 trees and look after them for the next 100 years.</p>
<p>I believe this will culture what we need to do and begin doing it at the same time.</p>
<p>I personally  believe we must hold the vision of &#8220;doubling the forests&#8221; not &#8216;saving the remains&#8217;.</p>
<p>I believe we need the culture of expanding the natural forests to replace that of exchanging them, for otherwise we limit our survival potential to our demonstrably dischordant human knowledge. Rather limited compared to the infinite display and living truths of nature.</p>
<p>My view of carbon trading is : </p>
<p>&#8221; If I promise not to touch the moon and give the moon real estate trading scheme 0.01% of my income, can I keep polluting, please&#8230; I really want to keep polluting&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that we need to do the work of shutting out all logging of standing biodiverse rainforests and forests in general.</p>
<p>We do need massive plantations as well for all the needs we have as cultures and societies.</p>
<p>I believe that simplistic centralism is dead as a political organising agenda. </p>
<p>The Pyramid of powers that we have given to, educate us to continue to give away our rights to those who are to gain from the structure, this is obvious.<br />
This is fine if there is a return not just to the stakeholders but to all. The unfortunate situation is that those with the power are not educated in harmonious dispersal of power and wealth. Where is the school through which politicians must pass by doing 7 years research and exams on total living system management. Who would say they could set up such a school?</p>
<p>What we do by centralising power like this is remove the power wielder from the context of their effect. Then abstract them even more with areas of activity they know nothing about but because they are in power they must manage.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t empower those living in their context of nature with it&#8217;s harmonic interaction obviously we will not have harmonic interaction. Management at a distance, remote generalist potitics cannot replace local knowledge and meaningful life connection with place which is what we need to engender connected living.</p>
<p>I would hazard the guess that the main focus of the multinationals companies mission statements are not on benifiting the many. </p>
<p>The main dynamical problem with wealth creation currently as I see is that the flow is blocked at the top. It doesn&#8217;t return completly to it&#8217;s source, being those that created it at the gorund or base level. Any system that denies the return flow through to the point of origin will eventually collpase. Logically it is so.</p>
<p>It is a smoke ring dynamic. A torroidal form.</p>
<p>This is how energy as a perpetuating form moves through space with the greatest efficiency. As we all know when there is blockage in any system there is stagnation. Most political systems are not seen as dynamics but money is just another form of energetic flow.<br />
The right wing builds energy to a center then holds the the flow constricted and tight and builds mountains pyramids of wealth. The left wing takes this and disperses it back to the point of origin. I suggest we need both. That we need the flow to be centralised enriched with quality and then dispersed. The smoke ring torroidal model of politics takes energy /money in, gathers it to the central spin and disperses it back out. But the scale and complexity of doing this at the nation level means there is a lot of aberation along the way and often no return to source.</p>
<p>The more pure and simple this form the more it reflects it&#8217;s context and builds harmony within the people and place.  To be able to achieve this kind of synergy the unit size of this flow needs to be small and simple not abstract large and complex and beyond the realm of 150 people. Specifically biological research as in the book The Tipping Point suggests that this natural unit is around 150 but harmonically 144 people feels more true. </p>
<p>This may seem escoteric but that is because we are out of touch with our own connectedness. Mostly these days we have no idea of what it feels like to live within a  village because most of our communications are diverse and abstract.<br />
But the point is that there is a way of living connected locally to place and becoming aware of our personal impacts on nature.</p>
<p>It requires limiting population to that which is within the numbers of knowing individuals. It requires a village lifestyle to be the norm..</p>
<p>But beyond simplistic models  I personally think we need to embed this political harmonic oscillation within the context of natural systems. We need to understand the total volume of forests fish animals all living and non living things that allow the human turbulent waste to be absorbed. Realise the value of living within the range of population that is sustainable.</p>
<p>This means  valuing population levels as a harmonic of the place. ( not as a dischord ).</p>
<p>It would seem vitaly important to listen to and empower the people who know the most about the forests and their health and preservation rather than give this power to the financial intituions who indirectly are responsible for the destruction of the forests by valuing business over environmental needs.</p>
<p> &#8220;It makes good business to log a free forest and turn it into wealth. There are infrastructural costs but hey we can chip it all so it&#8217;s easy to ship then sell it where ever&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If that statement becomes one that benifits the forest it will last opnlu until there is enough forest to devalue the asset then there will be destruction again. It is not a long term solution and does lead to taxing the air we breathe. THe whole financial play is egoic and pwoer driven and soo disconnected from harmonic natural interactions. We must recognise that all living systems are based on centered harmonic resonance. We humans must obey this &#8220;living Law&#8221; with our habitations other wise we will become a dischordant abberation, obviously !</p>
<p>On energy I do agree with Susan.<br />
Energy in fact as we all do truely know is THE most abundant thing there is. In my view the  corrupt protection of fossil fuel business empires has to stop.</p>
<p> The fossil fuel emporer is wearing no clothes. </p>
<p>We all know the history of energy is about information control.</p>
<p> It is not &#8220;do we have the zero pollution solutions?&#8221;, they are in fact abundant, what we are short of is the guts to pull the plug on our common wimping  and subservience to the fossil fuel regime.</p>
<p>This is a time for all those sitting in front of a computer to grow up  let go and demand zero pollution technology. There is no excuse. We need a global protest and demand for zero pollution everything!</p>
<p>&#8220;We have the technology !&#8221;</p>
<p>We have had the technology for a long time !<br />
Now we must use it.</p>
<p>Consciously this time we are in is not about pollution or forests or politics.<br />
It is about stepping up, having courage, feeling the truth in your heart and turning away from everything that lacks integrity.</p>
<p>It is not about competition or winning, it is about birthing the global consciousness to act as one planet for the good of the whole planet not just for your company or philosophy or nation or country.</p>
<p>It is more in my view about realising that yes we can have all these amazing things and experiences and gadgets etc. etc. but that where ever there is a clear destruction of the harmonic order of nature we are wrong. Everything can be produced in integrity with the natural harmonic order,we have the technology. It will taske time to convert everything over to harmonic integrity yes. But the incredible energetic release and sheer joy of such a world is what we all as a total species have being creating as our heavenly dream since spirit  first walked this earth. It is an act of will not an act of intelligence that we must take. We must summon the will to change. We have all we need in terms of knowledge and examples.</p>
<p>My personal understanding is that we all want harmony yet do not for some reason study the replete and diverse and rich knowledge of harmony and harmonic systems.</p>
<p>We talk these abstract issues of how capitalism or collective dynamics work politically but we don&#8217;t connect them to nature and the wisdom of harmonics that flows so obviously. It flows visually, auditorially, sensorially, even to be felt in the sense of the source field and the primary spiritual domains. </p>
<p>We are, in my humble view, soo species egoic. We value our own abstracted blindingly limited knowledge bank of written culture over the infinite wisdom of nature. All we are doing in reflection is testing our species ego centricity and  hypothesis over again. Harmony is not a hard thing to &#8220;measure&#8221;. It is very very obvious if one tunes in&#8230; if we educate ourselves to it like all indigenous cultures do, and then live by it.</p>
<p>This wonderful time is to be cherished for it is a birth, a great birth. But like all great births much will be lost in creating the new. I feel there is going to be great grief and letting go, and there has to be. The new demands dropping the old.</p>
<p>I have for example designed an electric commuter vehicle that is  endless, battery optional, with music, fans,secure cargo bay, weatherproof&#8230; It is low tech. It looks very cool but has a top speed of 60kmph. If we start here with in a few years these things will go 100kmph and still be battery optional as back up.</p>
<p>We must face the fact that mostly our ignorance is that of the knowledge of energy and harmony or harmonics i.e. the ways of nature. there has been a deliberate focussing away from this knowledge but now the time has come to begin stepping up and  acting from will guided by love and it&#8217;s worldly manifestation as harmnonic values.</p>
<p>Plenty of cultures have lived this truth it&#8217;s about time we tuned in too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff White</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This film, &lt;i&gt;The Burning Season&lt;/i&gt;, is not to be confused with the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104274/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1993&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109351/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1994&lt;/a&gt; movies of the same name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This film, <i>The Burning Season</i>, is not to be confused with the <a HREF="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104274/" rel="nofollow">1993</a> or <a HREF="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109351/" rel="nofollow">1994</a> movies of the same name.</p>
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