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Debate: Should ecosocialists oppose population growth?

Ian Angus’s book, A Redder Shade of Green, was published this year by Monthly Review Press

In ‘A Redder Shade of Green,’ did Ian Angus unfairly criticize people who believe overpopulation is a major environmental problem? 


A CRITICISM OF ‘A REDDER SHADE OF GREEN’

by Donald J. Kerr

I bought the book because his earlier work on the Anthropocene was quite instructive, particularly his article in MR in 2016. In this book, I read chapter 7, “The Return of the Population Bombers,” and decided it was not worth reading the remainder.

In this chapter, he created his own “straw man” and proceeded to destroy it. His straw man was a caricature of those who see world population as a problem. He described them as bigots, lobbyists, advocates of compulsory birth control, directed only at poor countries, immigrants as enemies of the environment. He fails to understand that over-population is a real problem while at the same time being very difficult to fix without trampling on human rights. Creating a straw man is a cheap and facile style of argument.

The problem with over population includes: loss of biodiversity, production of waste, plastic pollution, climate change, fish depletion, over-development, etc. I am involved in conservation of the ecosystem in a few watersheds near Georgian Bay. We are always fighting against population growth which is encroaching on natural areas. My perspective is that population growth should be resisted everywhere (not just poor people) while, at the same time, allowing refugees but discouraging other migrations.

Angus fails to clearly identify capitalism as the proponent of population growth along with all other forms of growth. Economic growth is not the same as economic performance where equality is valued as well as valuing the natural world. He says it divides our progressive forces by claiming that too many people is the problem. Can he not accept that we need to combat on all fronts, especially neo-liberalism and excessive growth as well as over-population? None of these battles is easy but all are important.


REPLY: POPULATIONISM IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH SOCIAL JUSTICE

by Ian Angus

Don, thank you for taking the time to explain what you thought of that chapter, and why. Your thoughtful comments are part of the discussion of “essential arguments” that the book aims to stimulate.

You charge me with creating a “straw man” — with misrepresenting the views of people who see population as a major environmental problem. I plead not guilty, on two grounds.

First, because the connections between overpopulation ideology, compulsory birth control programs and anti-immigrant bigotry are very well documented. Overpopulation arguments have been used for decades to oppress the poor and people of color around the world and to justify anti-immigrant campaigns that Betsy Hartmann calls “the greening of hate.” As the noted socialist scholar David Harvey says, “Whenever a theory of overpopulation seizes hold in a society dominated by an elite, then the non-elite invariably experience some form of political, economic, and social repression.” That’s not a caricature or a straw man: it is reality.

Second, because throughout the chapter I strongly distinguish between bigots and the “many activists who honestly want to build a better world and are appalled by the racists of the far right [but] are also attracted to populationist argument.” In fact, much of the chapter is devoted to a discussion of why long-disproven overpopulation arguments continue to be used by “people who actually care about the environment, who aren’t just using green arguments as an excuse to bash immigrants.” In short, I didn’t say you are a bigot, I said you are wrong.

The environmental crisis demands rapid and decisive action, but we can’t act effectively unless we clearly understand its causes. If we misdiagnose the illness, at best we will waste precious time on ineffective cures; at worst, we will do even more damage. Focusing on population growth isn’t just ineffective, it is harmful. Instead of confronting the real eco-vandals, it targets the victims of environmental destruction, people who don’t destroy forests, don’t wipe out endangered species, don’t pollute rivers and oceans, and emit essentially no greenhouse gases.

You say that we need to “combat on all fronts.” The problem is that fighting to cut immigration and birth rates is incompatible with fighting for social justice. It’s not that we don’t have the resources to do both — it’s that populationism is an anti-social, anti-human ideology, no matter how sincere some of its advocates may be. The suggested readings listed below address these issues in more depth I can do in a short reply.

Obviously we have a serious disagreement, but the left can only gain from frank and open discussion of our differences. C&C welcomes further comments on this important subject: please be concise and respectful.


Some recommended readings on population and social justice

The chapter of A Redder Shade of Green that Donald Kerr criticizes is also available online:

Simon Butler and I addressed the issue in depth in this book:

Over 120 Climate & Capitalism articles tagged “population” are listed here. You could start with these:


 

 

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5 Responses to Debate: Should ecosocialists oppose population growth?

  1. Linda J December 3, 2017 at 6:15 pm #

    For the reasons stated, I totally support Ian Angus’ perspective on this issue. Stop punching down. We need to focus on the elites of society who are wasting resources while they destroy the planet. The demands must be made of them, not the people with no institutional power being victimized by capitalism and its greed-driven proponents.

  2. foodnstuff December 3, 2017 at 8:33 pm #

    According the Erlich and Holdren’s I = P x A x T equation. population growth is one of the 3 issues contributing to planetary problems. I don’t think we can entirely ignore it, or explain at away.

    • Philip Ward December 4, 2017 at 6:48 am #

      I=PAT is a far too simplistic “equation” for analysing complex social issues. This is another question that Ian addresses in his new book: the temptation to use mathematics to apply some “rigour” to political and economic questions, when in fact the result is obfuscation.

      Let’s apply a bit of mathematical rigour to the formula. We then find that I=PAT says environmental impact=environmental impact. P is the denominator of A, so that cancels out, while GDP is in the numerator of A and the denominator T, so it also disappears. We are left with the numerator of T – environmental impact.

  3. Christopher R. Cox December 4, 2017 at 12:49 am #

    Nobody worth an ounce of their salt actually suggests that population growth, in and of itself, does not pose a threat. That is asinine. The post-Malthusian (if we can call it that) argument, at the very least, poses that population growth is one part of a knot of densely interrelated processes, not one part of a convenient triad of societal challenges that explain every society, ala Rostow or something. Ian is bang on here with his response.

    In any case, Kerr lost me with this: “Angus fails to clearly identify capitalism as the proponent of population growth along with all other forms of growth.” Huh? MOST of what Ian Angus writes about is capitalism or is deeply related to the subject and system of capitalism. Please, if you are going to critique someone, read at least some of their stuff.

    Also, since when does over-population lead to “over-development”? The reverse is historically the case, depending on whether or not you see “development” from the perspective of the people being ‘developed’ from outside of their culture, or from the perspective of the ‘developers’.

    The problem with the population-premised ontology is that the dialectical dance between capital’s demands and the development of populations to feed the those demands is lost, because only one side of the dialectic is given power.

  4. John Ost December 14, 2017 at 1:48 am #

    Scott Morton and M.P. Sharma in their paper “Thermodynamic Consideration of World Population Carrying Capacity” identify all humans as heat engines. Earth has a finite capacity to process our effluent, heat as CO2, whether we are non-fossil fuel users or very profligate fossil fuel users. Carrying capacity of non fossil fuel users may be as high as 3.8 billion. Carrying capacity for profligate fossil fuel users may be as low as 50 million.

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